Had Sam received his proper trilogy as Captain America, these would have fit as antagonists in each film.

Starting from Zemo in the first whose influence rose after his possible escape soon as the Blip came to pass.

Leading then to personal conflict against Sharon, now Powerbroker & then ending on Red Skull whose fate was left open since his obligation on Vormir ended as the stonekeeper which Russo Brothers also discussed shortly after Infinity War's release.

Commentaires

TarnishedAccount2026-01-11 18:47

I think Red Skull’s comeback should be against Steve.

But Hugo ain’t doing another MCU film.

snacksandsoda2026-01-11 18:52

We don't even need Hugo

Schedonnardus2026-01-11 19:09

We have Hugo at home

Portablelephant2026-01-11 19:54

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GreasyExamination2026-01-11 20:31

And Gondor needs no king

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 18:52

Maybe we might see some brief confrontation from Steve against either this Red Skull or another in Secret Wars.

Even as the film already has enough on it's hands but very brief still, lasting only seconds or few minutes at the most.

ChildofObama2026-01-11 18:56

The Russos said they avoided giving Hulk and Ross a scene together in Infinity War and Endgame cuz the films had too many moving pieces,

so I don’t think Cap and Red Skull will be prioritized by them either.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:02

It's completely up to them of course, we will accept it as it comes. I do think Secret Wars would run quite long.

Assuming they do it, I feel we will see it in the early minutes as we expand on Battleworld.

Chabby_Chubby2026-01-11 18:57

Why won't Hugo do another MCU film?

Queasy_Rip32102026-01-11 19:04

He said the redskull character was a little too dark for his liking or something along those lines.

Jbabco98982026-01-11 19:08

Same reason why Aaron Paul isnt coming back for Invincible's next season. Crazy how acting in those types of roles affects one's mental health

Queasy_Rip32102026-01-11 19:12

I kinda get it though, like I try to avoid cynical thinking in my day to day life because it leads to thinking that way all the time. I feel like if I were an actor trying to play a dark character I could have problems getting stuck thinking in a way I dont particularly like. Ive even left jobs in the past that kept me angry or annoyed all day.

PoofsInFrillyLace2026-01-11 19:12

They can’t keep getting away with this :/

AlexitoPornConsumer2026-01-11 19:16

Mental health? LMFAO they just have other projects to focus on. Role affecting their mental health just because of a minor pariticipation in a project is just bs

Funmachine2026-01-11 19:29

He was open to return for IW & Endgame. But Disney refused to honour his contract and pay him more for his sequel appearances, so he turned them down.

Keebdaelf232026-01-12 03:08

This is the shit that baffles me about the MOUSE , they shit money so why not pay for a top quality actor to get on the screen and get a chance to possibly make his role even better

MajorNoodles2026-01-12 10:07

Those two movies were two of the highest grossing movies of all time, so something tells me they could afford it

Keebdaelf232026-01-13 04:49

That's my point . Whatever he was asking they were going to make back probably 20 times as much . That damned mouse 😆

MajorNoodles2026-01-13 04:57

I was agreeing with you, they literally could have paid Hugo Weaving half a billion dollars to be in those two movies and they'd still be the 2nd and 7th highest grossing movies of all time.

Keebdaelf232026-01-13 05:11

Yeah I know sorry if it sounded like I was thinking the opposite 😆

MisterGoldiloxx2026-01-14 21:04

They needed the money so that RDJ could buy another house, or whatever.

GoodDawgAug2026-01-11 20:44

Considering some of his characters, that’s kinda interesting. But I respect his decision.

Queasy_Rip32102026-01-11 21:08

I think it was specifically the nazi association involved that he disliked, but its been a while since I read what he said exactly so I may be remembering it incorrectly.

snakespm2026-01-12 02:29

I seem to remember him also saying he wasn't a fan of the makeup

Keebdaelf232026-01-12 03:05

😆 wtf ? He played a digital Lucifer for 3 movies ( and a video game ? ) but he's too good to play a super powered Nazi ? The nerve of this man .

the-tominatrix2026-01-12 07:42

Bc theyre getting it wrong, Weaving was mostly against getting back in the makeup chair. One answer is just better PR than the other

Keebdaelf232026-01-13 04:55

Ooohhh 🤔 , ok now that would make it a lot more understandable .

TarnishedAccount2026-01-11 19:18

Contractual issues and creative disputes

Defiant-Channel23242026-01-11 19:20

That wasn't even Hugo in Infinity War and Endgame. It was Ross Marquand.

TarnishedAccount2026-01-11 19:36

We are aware. Hugo was only in CA:FA

If you want a full feature, then Hugo would be best to have

Sylar_Lives2026-01-11 19:58

Ross can do it just fine. What are you talking about?

mutzilla2026-01-11 20:03

Hugo wasnt even the last person who played Red Skull.

Jet-Let46062026-01-11 18:48

A European aristrocrat.

A Karen.

A Nazi.

Sounds perfect for a rogues gallery.

Big_Epsilon2026-01-11 18:49

Don’t agree with Zemo, not sure the character was in a place where it would make sense or be what people wanted, but the other two I like.

Serpent Society done with depth should have been the first one.

Zemo needs to return in a role with the Thunderbolts

jews4beer2026-01-11 18:55

Agreed. Zemo was given a pseudo redemption arc. Thunderbolts would have been perfect for him.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 19:07

Advisor for the thunderbolts? Fund things like tony did? He’s got all those antique cars.

Zemo could work with them to make sure they don’t become what he fears they will. Zemo arguing with the government about something, Bucky having to defend zemo, reflecting on how Steve did the same for him.

And what better place for Bucky to keep an eye on him

Heisenburgo2026-01-11 20:00

Zemo acting as the reluctant leader of the team. Knowing that if he has no choice but to work with all these super soldiers he sees as beneath him, the very least he can do is guide them and control them to do his bidding and to spite Valentina at the same time

GuiltyEidolon2026-01-12 20:02

If he wouldn't likely kill them all, I could see him being the axeman - trusted to keep an eye on them all because no one hates them more than he does.

But realistically, he'd just kill them all as soon as he could.

magpye19832026-01-11 19:13

I’m fairly sure this is *instead* of the redemption arc in a series, Zemo would be the villain in a movie.

Sorge742026-01-12 15:39

> Zemo was given a pseudo redemption arc

Did he even need one? Dude has a reasonable beef and saw the avengers as an existential threat to humanity.

jews4beer2026-01-12 17:33

A shit ton of people were killed and he broke just a few laws due to that reasonable beef.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 18:56

I think some sections would have gone along Zemo since I could see him manipulating the population on Avengers's failure against Thanos in this phase.

Also I think his precise part in separating the Avengers possibly was not public so it could have helped him.

He could have easily got them in dance off regardless.

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LewisRyan2026-01-11 19:07

Star lord vs zemo, dance off for the world

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:10

& Kevin Bacon as the judge. This will define Cinema.

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AntonChigurh89332026-01-11 21:40

John Travolta makes a guest appearance

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absherlock2026-01-12 00:35

To a song performed by David Hasselhoff

HotPotParrot2026-01-12 13:57

Why isn't this being made right now?

navjot942026-01-11 19:07

Zemo pulling the strings to get Sam to dispose of these powered individuals could’ve been peak. Make the Leader the fakeout villain that Zemo uses and then kills. The reveal would be that Zemo respects Sam for not taking the serum and props up these threats so Sam can get the respect he needs to be Captain America and also dispose of the powered individuals that Zemo despises.

Since Brave New World was supposed to be a political thriller, you set up the Leader and Red Hulk as the initial threats, but quickly realize that the real plot is a power struggle between Zemo (in prison) and the Power Broker. The Power Broker is attempting to spread gamma poison so the world is reliant on her to set things straight and avoid a world of Hulk creatures. Zemo is pulling the strings to stop this and use the opportunity to kill off some enhanced individuals. The Power Broker has political power as a member of the presidents inner circle, which is what Sam has to navigate through to save the day.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:11

Only rescuing the Leader so he can actually appear as an antagonist against Hulk some day once the concerns over the rights settle.

Honestly, still better than having Ross & even more so Red Hulk.

Responsible_Egg75192026-01-11 19:08

I wanna see Zemo interact with the Thunderbolts because Bob is basically his worst fear made reality. His situation is exactly the kind of thing that Zemo was trying to prevent with his actions in CACW and TFATWS

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:13

Him eventually accepting not everyone having abilities is such from observing Bob can also fit. Maybe both will even have milkshake together.

Bob already likes it.

Proud-Nerd002026-01-12 04:33

Gosh I hated how they fumbled Serpent Society

Arielrbr2026-01-11 18:49

A proper Serpent Society with wacky powered villains

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 18:58

Would have been great & I hope we actually see Serpent Society some day.

Melcrys292026-01-11 19:02

I'd like to see him and Diamondback go searching for the Bloodstone like an Indy movie.

SonOfRageNLove262026-01-12 22:03

the concept art of them as cyborgs with their wacky abilities wasnt half-bad. At the very least the movie would have been campy fun

Antrikshy2026-01-12 22:22

People would have compared it to older Cap movies, which were way more grounded, and would have *haaaated* on it.

Suspicious_Weird_3732026-01-11 18:55

I could do with Sam being killed off in Doomsday, let alone giving him a trilogy.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 18:59

I could honestly see another actor as Steve Rogers replacing Sam Wilson once the rumored reset comes. He will survive still well until Secret Wars.

Regardless his fate, I hope he gets some due in either Doomsday or Secret Wars.

Brief-Analyst982026-01-11 19:01

Dude yes. What they thinking over at disney

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:03

No love to Sam as such maybe.

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Brief-Analyst982026-01-11 19:04

No thought either

ChildofObama2026-01-11 19:02

I don’t think a Captain America 5 is off the table, I could see the Russo Brothers being offered the job if the Avengers duology is profitable.

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Marvel Studios would probably try to argue to Disney execs that BNW failed cuz the Russos weren’t there, Feige was spread too thin, Harrison Ford’s fee ballooned the budget, and cuz they misguidedly thought they could replicate Black Panther’s success with any black director.

reddit_hayden2026-01-11 19:19

“if the Avengers duology is profitable.”

lmao

ChildofObama2026-01-12 00:07

If Feige agrees the budget will be capped at $150 million and the Russos agree to direct, I think Disney execs might approve another sequel.

Melcrys292026-01-11 19:03

Sam got a TV show and a film that underperformed. But he's not going away anytime soon.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:07

I hope it is the same to Thunderbolts or New Avengers now. I feel Fantastic Four is presently the safest even after lesser returns.

I loved this film & loved this group.

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Melcrys292026-01-11 19:10

Same. But we're just a few years from a big reset. I hope Sam remains as Cap.

Blanchimont2026-01-11 20:57

I hope he gets a better written project most of all. I was really excited to see where they'd take Sam's character and the Captain America monniker after he fully took over from Steve as the new cap at the end of FATWS, but man, Cap 4 was such a letdown. The character deserves better, and I think Anthony Mackie could also be so much better with a better written project.

blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 20:23

Me too. I'm actually dreading Doomsday because it's becoming very apparent that Bukcy's not going to make it...and I can't deal with that. Also love this team and would love to see them go on some missions together instead of immediately dying after being introduced as a team.

Little_Christopher_D2026-01-12 01:20

when has it been shown to be apparent that Bucky isn't going to make it?

blodyn__tatws2026-01-12 01:28

It's the general assumption after Sebastian Stan said what sounded like a fond goodbye to the MCU, his contract is up, and now he's in The Batman 2. Which I do realise doesn't necessarily mean that he can't be both Bucky and be in The Batman, depending on the schedules. And that is what I'm hoping for. But a few places online are also all now saying it's looking like Bucky's not making it out of Doomsday alive (they're basing it on him joining The Batman 2.

Bucky fans are trying to gently help each other ease into the idea so we can steel ourselves and not cry in the movie theater when it happens. I definite know I'm going to ruin stoic. 😅 Oh boy.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 19:06

Who says he’s not going to get a trilogy?

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:08

In my personal understanding, he might not now since Marvel might feel it best to have another Steve Rogers again.

Now, it is not like I am saying it must have another. I just feel there are high chances they will try to benefit from the reset to have someone audiences liked more.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 19:09

I’d argue Chris evans might give marvel hella shit if they didn’t treat Anthony mackie as fairly as they do him.

People weren’t massive cap fans after the first avenger, winter soldier and civil war cemented his legacy.

I definitely get your point though

SeekerVash2026-01-11 19:18

>I’d argue Chris evans might give marvel hella shit if they didn’t treat Anthony mackie as fairly as they do him.

Disney's a business, things either make money or they don't. Things that don't make money don't get more budget.

Doesn't make any difference what Evans says, Shareholders don't believe that's a good reason to spend money.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 19:21

Public opinion is a very fickle beast, will people go watch a captain America movie knowing Chris evans refused the role and inside sources say possible racism? (I’m not suggesting there is any, but we all know how TMZ can be)

VanilleKoekje2026-01-11 19:54

This is copium, nothing else

DUNG_INSPECTOR2026-01-11 22:32

I don't think most people care about the minutiae of how a film gets made, only whether the trailer interests them.

blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 20:25

I would say Bucky had something to do with the popularity of those 3 movies too. The Winter Soldier is breathtaking to watch in action. That's why it's so frustrating him getting nerfed any time it suits the writers.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 20:32

True for the first part.

But where has Bucky been nerfed? (Haven’t seen thunderbolts)

The only characters I’ve seen him be stopped by are: Cap, Spider-Man, Thanos, couple super soldiers in FATWS (he was always outnumbered though) I think that’s it…

blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 20:54

Why the downvote? I don't believe I was being disrespectful to anyone...

Anyway. He got nerfed in the series for definite, by a couple of untrained baby super soldiers who just got the serum. Didn't display any of his skills really, except guns. He's got so much experience, yet teeange Karlii outsmarts him and everything?

The argument can be made that in general, he's holding back beause he doesn't want tobe like The Winter Soldier anymore. And that I buy, but I don't buy him forgettting everything he's every learned, in the face of a couple of very green teenagers with super soldier serum.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 20:55

I didn’t downvote you good sir, but I shall upvote you to compensate!

I 100% believe he wasn’t going anywhere near all out against the teens, he saw younger Bucky in them, it’s just a different kind of brainwashing

Heck, to an extent he might see Steve in them, fighting against the US government for what they believe in, just like Steve did for Bucky.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 21:00

On the topmost line, this is the precise vibe I hope this sub & most subs could have more. People so easily downvote someone or start talking unkindly since it's easy to hide behind devices here.

It's truly so good to see this. Please accept this high five to you both.

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LewisRyan2026-01-11 21:07

This.

Remember folks, downvotes are for people being absolute dickheads, or bots.

Not for stuff you disagree with.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 21:09

Absolutely. So much appreciation to you on doing this. Small steps really help.

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blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 21:34

(you're getting an upvote too!) must say, I'm actually more upvote happy than downvote happy. I only downvote if someone's being highly disrespectful and rude for no reason.

blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 21:27

Take my upvote, too! :)

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 21:28

Mine back to you <3

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blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 21:25

I'd be a "dear lady" lol...and thank you!! I have similarly upvoted you too. Love discussing this sort of thing.

That's food for thought. I hadn't considered he sees himself or Steve in the Flagsmashers. I know he feels guilt for his past (even though I don't coinsider him responsible for it. Not a single thing that happened to him after he fell from that freight car was his choice or done with his consent...not even getting the super soldier serum), but it's like...with him holding back, it's only the people in tune with Bucky who get that impression. To everyone else, that equated him with some "bargain bin" second rate character that's only good to prop up others, and not that powerful so he can jus tbe sacrificed or side-lined, no problem, nobody cares.

Unfortunately, the subtleties and nuances are often overlooked. A superhero/villain's worth is directly tied to how much arse they can kick/damage they can inflict.

I'm going to rewatch the series, because the first time around I was too shocked and angryat the therapy and Wakandan killswitch that I might have missed something about him recognising something about the Flagsmashers.

Pristine-Explorer-792026-01-12 04:48

I too like that logic, but honestly can't blame anyone who doesn't see that because the show does nothing to actually show it. I'll be honest, I don't think the writers thought of it that way. It does make it better to accept the show, but I feel such things can't be left to nuances to be picked up. If Bucky was holding back because of his guilt and like the other user said, him seeing himself and Steve in them, it was something that needed to be acknowledged, and there should have been a point where he finally doesn't. In a show that was literally about him dealing with his trauma and issues exactly like this, it does nothing to deal with it.

Pristine-Explorer-792026-01-12 04:43

I think they did nerf him in TFATWS. The only "heroic" scene he had in the entire show including the finale was against a lock. I understand the logic behind that scene, which was good. Otherwise he had nothing good there. Even the fight with Batroc was left for Sam which could have easily left for Bucky. I honestly wasn't happy with his action with the flag smashers in the beginning, but could still see past it assuming the "holding back" logic. But the show did absolutely nothing about that either, which makes it difficult to accept. If he was holding back there, there should have been reference and closure to it.

LewisRyan2026-01-12 09:14

Bucky defeated John Walker alone. Bucky was never able to beat cap alone, I’d say that’s not nerfing, but showing him grow, and also showing how John is not as good as Steve

Pristine-Explorer-792026-01-12 04:31

That's very true. Nerfing Bucky is seriously very frustrating and pointless. FATWS was especially disappointing in that. Had they actually utilised him properly and even his dynamic with Sam, it would have done well for Sam in the longer run too.

Einchy2026-01-11 19:57

With the world being reborn post Secret Wars and it working as a soft re-boot for the X-Men saga, I can see them re-casting Tony, Thor and Steve Rogers. I was really rooting for Sam as Cap but Marvel fumbled it by picking the wrong people to write and direct him.

LewisRyan2026-01-11 20:28

Imo: brave new world should’ve been the first movie AFTER the reset, we start in a world where falcon has been cap for a few years, a little different tech fixing the issues people had with it. And maybe this falcon took the serum?

Blanchimont2026-01-11 21:03

Chris Hemsworth seems up for a Thor 5, and lately there have been rumors about Marvel moving forward with Thor 5 with him in the role. And given that that movie would have to come out after Secret Wars, I think it's highly unlikely they'll recast him.

I think it's much more likely Chris Hemsworth will remain Thor for another decade, with his character slowly turning into the All Father Thor

DUNG_INSPECTOR2026-01-11 22:31

I think they fumbled it too by not playing to Anthony Mackie's strengths. He doesn't sell the stoic hero very well, but he is *amazing* in Twisted Metal. I'm not saying his Cap should have been a goofball, but there should have been more of a light-heartedness to his character.

Heisenburgo2026-01-11 20:02

The dissappointing box office returns of his debut film as Cap, most likely.

ckal092026-01-11 19:16

Sam is way too boring to carry a trilogy.

Bucky should’ve taken over as Cap.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:52

It is completely in the narrative. Even Steve was not as interesting in The First Avenger & Avengers but The Winter Soldier turned the perception.

I feel Bucky has earned his better place in New Avengers. He has overcome his past & he has people after very long to whom he can well associate.

HeroXeroV2026-01-11 19:16

They really needed to have laid a better groundwork for Sam in the early movies. His character is just not that interesting, he needed a better background to build on imo.

GuiltyEidolon2026-01-12 20:03

This is my spicy take, but I also think Anthony Mackie is a charisma vacuum. I really wanted to like him as Cap, I wanted to like him as Falcon, and I just continually find myself underwhelmed by him. But he was also done very dirty with his character being built up so poorly to become Cap.

Guinea-Wig2026-01-13 15:02

I think Mackie is a decent enough actor and plays supporting roles well but he is not a leading man. He had the same issue when he took over as lead for the second season of Altered Carbon. He just doesn't have the screen presence to carry a movie/TV series.

NASCAR1420022026-01-11 19:20

U.S Agent (4)

The Serpent Society (5)

Sin (6)

Nethias252026-01-11 19:31

So, I have a fairly comprehensive opinion of this.

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier should have been a movie. 'Captain America: False Flag'
False flag has several meaning, the flag smashers and their ideology about flags, also John being cap when Steve didn't choose him, and most importantly, Sam feeling false and unworthy to be Captain America.

Then, brave new world as Captain America 5, but add in Hammer and some talk of adamantium being used to create Ironman suits.

End of Sam trilogy- Captain America: Armor Wars. The big one. First off, a buddy adventure with War Machine as intended with the show that didn't happen. But, also include Antman, Wasp, new Falcon, Bucky, maybe Shuri. Movie starts with Ironman 2 senate hearing in black and white as cold open, cuts when "Tony says hammer industries, 20 years" then cut and throw 20 years or however many later on the screen. Power primer Sharon and Hammer have adamantium fueled Ironman copies, Sam has his own tech-vengers defend the world from Tony's original worst fear from Ironman 1.

Bonus, put war machine in a giant Warbuster/iron patriot color scheme suit and fight a horde of ironmen.

If marvel planned this out, Armor wars could have come out this summer on 4th of July weekend for America 250.

blodyn__tatws2026-01-11 20:30

I don't think Falcon and the Winter Soldier should have been a movie, I'm happy it was a series. I just wish they did Bucky some justice in it and didn't resort to victim blaming and nerfing him.

lord_dosia2026-01-11 21:24

That 20 years thing would’ve been super clever. And a great way to tie back to the history of this world

Marc_Quill2026-01-11 23:38

I will say that "False Flag" is an amazing title and now am bummed they didn't use it.

tangodeep2026-01-11 19:32

Wouldn’t want Zemo as an antagonist after FF&TWS. Seeing Sharon as the Power Broker would only make fans more upset. And how would Red Skull get back into the fray? (although he needs to be more active).

The Serpent Society (with a legitimate objective) would’ve been a good landing IF they were able to stick it.

meanstreak9142026-01-11 19:42

Why’d they fumble Emily Vancamp so bad? They did Sharon dirty.

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 19:54

I know right, deserved better. Come to think over it, she is actually also been almost twelve years in this world now.

Amongst the longest few then.

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CaptHayfever2026-01-12 01:32

I'm very confident she was meant to come back in Armor Wars.

SimonShepherd2026-01-12 15:45

Because she is a Captain America supporting character that basically has her role cannibalized by other characters.

Peggy, Widow, and then CA3 is filled with Avengers, she basically got no place in her home franchise.

It's also painfully obvious that the Peggy plot in Endgame is a contingency plan(like Steve suddenly pulling out Peggy's photos), because else why working on the Steve/Sharon romance plotline at all(combined with a whole saying goodbye to Peggy arc. Even Agent Carter had a whole ass pouring the blood sample away scene.)

ContentAssumption2042026-01-11 19:50

Surprised no one has mentioned Hate Monger.

Einchy2026-01-11 19:55

Reheating Steve's nachos?

rjt9032026-01-11 21:15

Yeahhh this was a bad take. I’d much rather have fresh faces.

Wooden_Passage_26122026-01-11 20:08

we need more of Sharon

Buhos_En_Pantelones2026-01-11 20:13

I think Sharon should've been Val's cohort in Thunderbolts. Kinda makes sense, right?

GenGaara252026-01-11 20:14

You mean just recycling people who had a connection of beef with Steve? What does Red Skull have to do with Sam?

Let him have new antagonists that are his own.

Emptypiro2026-01-11 20:59

Its been a year since Sam's last movie as cap. Give it a minute

When1Falls2026-01-11 21:08

What's a proper trilogy? When did it become a thing that every movie needs three movies?

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 21:13

To very kindly explain it, many people have had proper trilogies from the start which is Marvel's normal pattern.

They would have trilogies & also have simultaneously these people appearing in other films or streaming originals to piece it well together.

Iron Man had his, Steve had his, Ant Man had his & Guardians had theirs.

Strange, Carol & Shuri have neared theirs. Thor had his fourth & Spider Man will soon have his. Had Marvel been at it's normal pace, I am sure Sam would have received his.

Much like I think even Shang Chi would have received & also much like Fantastic Four or anyone later like Mutants might.

Swing-Full2026-01-11 21:13

I don't think his first movie's villain should have been Red Hulk.

I would only want to see Sharon as the Main Villain of his second or third movie with a supporting role on his first movie, but we know she's secretly evil

It'd go Sharon would help Sam in movie 1 will collecting info from him. That info sets up her being the Villain of movie 2. Her actions cause the rise of the villain in movie 3

Swing-Full2026-01-11 21:13

AmusinglyArtistic2026-01-11 21:15

It was also precisely my thought. Sharon would have returned in the first, helped Sam but we would have then had the hint in the mid credit scene to the first.

Then of course her as proper antagonist.

AsherthonX2026-01-11 22:08

He might still
Get his second and Third.

Depends on how well
Avengers does

Ok-Average-64662026-01-11 22:24

1-Should've been vs Gsp led Flag Smashers

2-Then the Skrulls in Secret Invasion with a new Avengers team( Shang Chi, Shuri, Carol,etc). The whole premise where Skrulls impersonate ppl can create new teamups. Marvel Zombies was a nice blueprint for this

3- The Thunderbolts, Serpent Society( with Seth and the concept art.

Sam vs Ross( they still have issues from Civil war), TB vs Avengers. It ends with a Thunderbolts/ Avengers teamup vs Red Hulk w/ the leader behind the scenes.

Sets up Sam as Cap, his Avengers team and establishes the Thunderbolts for Doomsday.

Plus as a bonus can do spinoff shows like bringing back Agents of shield( you can get 3 seasons of showing the rise of Rosd to president, the fallout of Secret Invasion plus a season vs the Serpent Society and the Leader)

son_of_toby_o_notoby2026-01-12 01:21

I disagree with Zemo and red skull but love Sharon

son_of_toby_o_notoby2026-01-12 01:22

I disagree with Zemo and red skull but love Sharon

Little_Christopher_D2026-01-12 01:23

I only agree with Red Skull. I thought Zemo was great in Civil War, but awful in Falcon And The Winter Soldier. Sharon being evil out of nowhere made absolutely no sense.

JBaldera272026-01-12 03:09

My take on a Sam Wilson trilogy for Captain America would have been:

Brave New World: Sam Wilson & Congressman Bucky Barnes try to stop the government from creating their own superhuman team (The Ultimates) led by a new Captain America (John Walker) under the supervision of the Secretary of Defense Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. Sam learns Valentina has worked with The Leader to empower John Walker with a blend of Super Soldier Serum & gamma radiation which eventually turns him into Red Hulk.

Secret Empyre: After the Kree Empire frame the Skrulls as secret invaders of Earth, they use human-looking pink Kree to replace various world leaders in the chaos. Sam Wilson has to stop the Kree from successfully infiltrating the US government, as the last UN Security Council permanent member nation, when he discovers the President-elect is a Kree. Otherwise, the Kree will become the puppet masters of Earth.

Generations: Set on Battle World, features the highly anticipated team up of Steve Rogers & Sam Wilson as they lead a revolution against The Intelligencia who rule their domain.

murtmaddock2026-01-12 04:05

It pisses me off how dirty they did Sam post endgame

D-anieltttt2026-01-12 05:20

I’d love for them to bring back Redskull, like as a reoccurring villain, they won’t get Hugo Weaving back but they could do the clone thing and just have another actor be Red skull 2

the-tominatrix2026-01-12 07:38

Terrible take tbh. Zemo has been dealt with and technically was Sam’s antagonist. Sharon being the PB was purely a mistake. And Red Skull is on Vormir AND seemingly way past his history?

Soulwarfare422026-01-12 13:06

Disagree with Zemo as a villain. The Zemo in the MCU is vastly different from the comics and it is pretty clear he wouldn't really have anything against Sam's Captain America

Power Broker sure but I really hate that they did that to Sharon Carter's character. Better to reveal she is a Skrull or something

Red Skull doesn't make much sense either IMO. How he would even get back to Earth anyway? Plus Red Skull is more of an antagonist for Steve than Sam

The best choice for Sam Captain America trilogy is The Serpent Society OR The Sons Of The Serpent OR facing other heroes villains really

One suggestion is combining Armor Wars into a Captain America movie with Rhodey as a co-lead. That way you can bring in Justin Hammer again

OjamasOfTomorrow2026-01-12 18:11

That, mostly, would have been good although I fucking loved FATWS and BNW and am very happy we got those.

Obskuro2026-01-12 19:10

Crossbones would have worked best as his personal nemesis IMO. He was technically his first "villain" in Winter Soldier, and he could have showcased what Hydra's remnants are doing. Maybe even worked together with Sharon, or leading up to Red Skull's daughter, Sin, as the heir of Hydra.

SonOfRageNLove262026-01-12 22:01

Red Skull is just chilling on Vormir

BackgroundEngineer112026-01-12 22:55

I'm not sure what Red Skull would really be doing. I don't think he really has the aspirations for ruling Hydra or taking over the world anymore.

Longjumping_Host_8392026-01-13 01:12

Wanting to have the same shit is crazy unless its food

ChuckDynasty172026-01-13 06:00

I hope he doesn’t get a sequel. Mackie was a great Falcon, but he’s a supporting actor not a lead actor. And he is not believable as Cap. Just some normal dude can now do what a super soldier did? So stupid.

So Marvel swapped a great Falcon for a mediocre Cap and a terrible Falcon. It was a bad move making him Cap.

Original-Ad90862026-01-13 19:15

Falcon and The Winter Soldier should've been a film not a show then give us Brave New World as a mini series

Sirmalta2026-01-13 21:44

Except Sam already interacted with Zemo in the show... that was a major plot point.

Red Skull isnt red skull anymore. He's a cosmic entity tied to the Soul Stone, which doesnt exist in this universe after thanos destroyed it, so he should be gone with it.

Sharon would be a dope story line to follow through on, but I suspect they'll just handwave the bad guy element away and make her a good guy again.

BeautifulTop16482026-01-14 02:56

why has marvel sucked the charisma out of sam the more movies hes appeared in?

MisterGoldiloxx2026-01-14 21:01

Why would Red Skull and Sam work for you? RS has NO idea who Sam is! As far as we know Sam has NO idea who RS is!

Individual-Plane-7602026-01-18 06:32

Mcu forgot zemo faster than the duffers forgot the demo’s